New York Times vs. Sullivan – Wikipedia

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Our Aug 11 meeting will address the public-policy issue of WHAT AN ATROCITY the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1964 decision in “New York Times vs. Sullivan” was because it has produced IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE virtually nothing but lies to the public while pols do NOT dare lie to campaign contributors.

Click here for three reference materials –


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The Text of the U.S. Supreme Court Opinions – New York Times vs. Sullivan


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New York Times vs. Sullivan – Wikipedia

Ordinarily, we view Wikipedia articles as only as good as their footnotes.

HOWEVER, this article is reasonably-well written and provides necessary context.


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Text of The Federal Rules of Civil Procedure

These rules govern procedure in civil cases in U.S. District Courts.

Our Aug 11 meeting will address (1) the Supreme Court’s “NY Times vs. Sullivan” requirement FOR PUBLIC OFFICIALS to prove either “ACTUAL MALICE” or "RECKLESS DISREGARD FOR THE TRUTH," (2) how satisfying this additional Olympic “High Hurdle” by public officials should be a “slam dunk” in the case of Michael Lewis and “The Premonition” AS A THEORETICAL MATTER, and (3) how satisfying this Olympic “High Hurdle” in the case of Michael Lewis and “The Premonition” AS A PRACTICAL MATTER is probably impossible because any jury would be likely to have at least one “Trump Hater” who has lied her/his way onto the jury.

The reason for The Federal Rules of Civil Procedure as a Reference Material???

Evidence of “actual malice” on the parts of Michael Lewis, his editor and his publisher should be readily obtainable as all of their files have to be turned over to the plaintiff(s) under the “discovery rules” of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and as their depositions are then taken “under penalties of perjury.”



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It is impossible to analyze the “public policy” of the Supreme Court's decision in New York Times vs. Sullivan (376 U.S. 254 (1964)) and its progeny limiting defamation of public officials or candidates for public office to cases involving ACTUAL MALICE or RECKLESS DISREGARD FOR THE TRUTH (the progeny extended this limitation to defamation of “public figures”) without a real-life example involving a public official or candidate for public office. Since U.S. democracy essentially runs on a two-party system, any example of a public official or candidate for public office will, virtually of necessity, involve either a Republican or a Democrat.

[BTW, John Karls, who has been the facilitator of our organization for its 16 years of existence, does NOT have a vote at our monthly meetings for the focus book for the following month.]
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New York Times vs. Sullivan – Wikipedia

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Ordinarily, we view Wikipedia articles as only as good as their footnotes.

HOWEVER, this article is reasonably-well written and provides necessary context.

OBVIOUSLY, we disagree with the last paragraph of its section entitled “50th Anniversary” which said –

“In a 2015 TIME Magazine survey of over 50 law professors, both Owen Fiss (Yale) and Steven Schiffrin (sic – s.b. Shiffrin) (Cornell) named New York Times v. Sullivan ‘the best Supreme Court decision since 1960,’ with Fiss noting that the decision helped cement ‘the free-speech traditions that have ensured the vibrancy of American democracy’ and Schiffrin (sic – s.b. Shiffrin) remarking that the case ‘overturned the censorial aspects of the law of libel and made it far easier in what’s left of our democracy for citizens—including the Fourth Estate—to criticize the powerful.’”

BUT NOT the implication that Time Magazine’s 2015 survey of “over 50 law professors” was able to find only two who had a kind word to say about New York Times vs. Sullivan.

[BTW, from “over 50 law professors” being able to find only two “a-- kissers” would be pathetic since many of them including Professors Fiss and Shiffrin are wannabe attorneys arguing before the Supreme Court which has SUPREME DISCRETION re whose cases they will decide to hear.]

BUT LEVITY ASIDE, our Aug 11 meeting will address WHAT AN ATROCIOUS decision it was because it has produced IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE virtually nothing but lies to the public while pols do NOT dare lie to campaign contributors.

Here is a copy of the Wikipedia article –

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